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Let's go to the phones and talk to Gerald in Kalpins. Gerald, welcome. Hey, Charlie, I was thinking now if Michelle Obama got the mumps and they fell on he, she, where would they land? I don't know. I no idea. Oh, you come up with them, Gerald. I appreciate it. Let's go to Sam and Duncan. Sam, welcome. How are you doing today? I'm good. What's up, uh\n\n00:29\nI can understand the frustration with everybody, you know, with the fuel. I travel for work. I can tell you we are fortunate as get all I'm staring at prices in Tennessee that are 384 and higher fuel and creeping closer to $4. Look, take it for the month or two that it may be. Would you rather pay a month or two to know that we don't have to worry about uh\n\n00:57\nmissile coming out of South America that they snuck in and moved out of Venezuela without us knowing? Yeah. Or would, or would that, you know, that can reach a place like DC, Chicago, Atlanta, something close to home? Or would you rather know that it's gone and that you don't have to sweat about it? We don't have a Cuban missile crisis happening in 2027, 2028, like it's 1970 whatever.\n\n01:24\nAgain, yeah, exactly right. mean, gas prices adjusted for inflation over five dollars a gallon in 1981. But yeah, you're right. And then Sam, I appreciate it. That's the difference between being, you know, active and reactive.\n\n01:41\nDonald Trump is taking action. So everybody's like, and because you don't see, a lot of people don't see, I know I don't speak for everybody, but because a lot of people don't see it, why are we doing this? Because you're not seeing.\n\n01:58\nthe benefits down the road. Now, if Iran had attacked us or even attacked Israel or our bases over there in the Middle East, everybody would have said, hell yeah, kick their ass, get over there, kick them. But because you can't see what they were planning to do, we were stopping something or stopping something before it even started. All let's get back to these bills. All right.\n\n02:28\nUm... Need you.\n\n02:33\nneed you to call your state representatives and tell them to vote no on the DOT bill. That's all you've got to remember. Tell them to vote no on the DOT bill. Listen, we did this just a couple of days ago on that 5471 bill. You guys were able to get it and you scared them to death. The one thing they want to do is operate in darkness.\n\n03:04\nWell, we're spreading the light right now. Call your state representative, tell them, Senate and House, and tell them to vote no on the DOT bill because it will raise your taxes, it will raise your fees, it will not fix our roads, it will bring us toll roads all over the, those will be the nicest roads in the state. Oh, you want nice roads?\n\n03:33\nWell, we get you some nice roads here in South Carolina. All you got to do is pay to drive on them. Yeah, I know you pay your taxes to drive on the roads, but these are special roads that we got. These are just for the high muckety mucks. They love the money. They love the money. So you need to call your representative, tell them to vote no on the DOT bill.\n\n04:02\nHouse and Senate. Now again, if you don't know who your state representative is, text the word or words SCREP, S C R E P to 800-905-0-989. It will send you a link. You put in your address, it'll bring up all of your representatives. Start up at the top.\n\n04:29\nNot sure who it starts up at the top of the list. Henry McMaster maybe starting with, but he'll certainly have Lindsey Graham. You know, if you got Timmons or you got Biggs or you got um Ralph Norman, whoever it is, ignore all of that. Ignore everybody in Washington, D.C. You're just looking for your representatives in Columbia, South Carolina. House and Senate, tell them to vote no on the DOT bill. This is another boondoggle.\n\n04:58\nthat was brought to you by the money grubbers and that's all they they just oh oh we're gonna oh you just give us the gas tax and we'll take care of your road well they haven't they haven't this is the same group of people that were charging us and unconstitutional\n\n05:20\na in lieu of taxes. So let me tell you what happened. Let me tell you what happened here. So Greenville County, lot of these counties, they got caught with these fees, right? So the state Supreme Court said, well, you can't do that. That's unconstitutional. You can't impose a fee in lieu of taxes just randomly.\n\n05:48\nSo they were like, oh, oh my goodness, I am so sorry. And then everybody was asking, well, you're going to give that money back? Well, no, we're not going to. No, we're not going to give that money back because we use it on good things. Good things is what they literally told me to my face. No, we're not giving the money back because we use it on good things.\n\n06:08\nSo then some people said, you know what we're gonna do? Listen to the way this works. So then some people got together and say, you know what, we're gonna sue. We're gonna sue Greenville County for doing this. And this is under the old Greenville County Council, the one that raised your taxes so much on your property. So they said, we're gonna sue. So they ran to their cronies down in Columbia. They ran to them and they said, oh, we're gonna get sued. You guys gotta do something.\n\n06:39\nSo then the cronies in Colombia passed a bill that said fee in lieu of taxes is legal. It's legal now. Oh, and by the way, you can't sue anybody for it either.\n\n06:54\nThat's how it used to work. And unfortunately, it works the same way a lot today. So if you don't want higher vehicle fees, higher utility surcharges, if you don't want your property taxes to go up, your sales taxes to go up, if you don't want more government, which means more spending, then you need to call your representative and tell them to vote no on the DOT bill. Again, if you don't know who your representative is, text SCREP.\n\n07:24\nto 800-9050-989. Right? Absolutely. So you guys get into it. And let me just, because I'm looking at some of you guys texting it right now. You need to check your auto correct because I don't know what you, you've been typing in your phone. I got one that says scrap. No, not scrap. ah Got some others I don't want to talk about, but SC.\n\n07:54\nR.E.P. Make sure that's in there. We'll be right back. It's the Charlie James Show. News talk 98.9. W.O.R.D. The voice of the Carolinas. Let's go to the W.O.R.D. talk line. We'll talk to Jamie in Belton. How you doing, Jamie? What are you doing, brother? I'm just working, working, working. What's going on? On a taxi? I tried to pay my taxes right now. What's going on, man? What did you wait until the day? No, not no. No, in fact, it's worse than that, Jamie.\n\n08:23\nWe always file an extension. We always file an extension. Hey, whatever floats your boat. That's right. What's up, man? Hey man. I've got a question a little bit off the books. mean, I've got a lot of things to say about what the heck's going on, but you know, God is almighty and it's all going to work out. Yeah. But you know, two months ago, I believe it was, I heard you say something. And once again, this is all.\n\n08:52\nbooks of what we're talking about today. Yeah. But you know, I know down in the Lawrence County electric district that you and your wife live in, I know your house is probably just uh a tad bit bigger than ours. Me and my wife live in the city of Belton under Duke power management. Oh, now\n\n09:19\nAnd our house is probably 1100 square feet. It's a two bedroom, one and a half bath. And our power bill last month was $447. $447. Yes. Now we don't, we don't acclimate to the temperature change or nothing like that. I tell my wife, do not touch that thermostat.\n\n09:49\nNow in the summertime, I understand that our cooling system needs to be updated because it is an old house, right? Because it will run probably from eight o'clock till two, three o'clock in the morning. But finally it takes a break. But during that cold spell we had, I noticed that you said somebody was talking and I know you're under Lawrence electric.\n\n10:17\nAnd I know your house is a little bit bigger than mine, but you said your power bill was $98. That was for the electricity. Right. That didn't include the gas. No, I'm not speaking nothing about that. I'm talking about electric solely. with all your knowledge and all this, who do you actually contact because...\n\n10:46\nIt's not like you can go shopping for power. Hey, I don't want you guys to serve because you charge too much. I can't just up and say, Hey, Lawrence Electric, would you come all the way up here to Belton and put me in line in on your line? Yeah, I know. Because you have better rates. A lot better rates. So, I mean, you know, what do you actually do to... Good night. $400? Donald and...\n\n11:14\nAnd this month, which I'm getting ready to pay here after that cold spell we had is $337. 337. And I have not even turned my pool on yet because I haven't got uncovered and I'd only let it run half a day. Now these are summertime rates. I can't imagine when I take the cover off of this thing because the wife is adamant on me getting this pool open. Yeah. When I let this pool run half a day.\n\n11:43\nand the air condition running because we're getting in the nineties of what I'm going to see when my bill comes. It's probably going to be 700 flipping dollars. That's unbelievable. It is. The difference. what we're dealing with. Oh my gosh. Jamie, don't know. I don't know what the answer is, but something's got to be done about that. I would be embarrassed to tell you what my last election bill was.\n\n12:13\nWell, was that low. Because I heard you say that one was 98 hours and I'm like, mine was just 440 something. Yeah. And I'm like, God, do we need to move to where we can get on Lawrence Electric? I tell you what, that might be if I were a real estate agent, that's one thing I would be pushing. This is Lawrence Electric. You to live here. Jamie, I appreciate it. And I feel for you out there, man. Let's go to Lucy in Greenville. Lucy, how you doing? OK, that gentleman needs to know.\n\n12:43\nbecause i'd just found out uh... that duke energy had bought piedmont natural gas uh... and are when i have and then the reason piedmont natural gas came out what they put in a new meter and i think that one now and doing some way and keeping i was going to put some stuff over here ma'am it doesn't\n\n13:13\nIt sends it directly. Nobody's going to be driving by here. Nobody's going to be checking on this. It's going straight to them. And he said, and it is a monopoly now. So no telling what you're going to be paying. Yeah. And you know what? I hear that I had another caller, Lucy, a couple of weeks ago, and they were telling me that they opted out of the new meter upgrade, but they were going to charge them for it.\n\n13:43\nYeah, we had to do it. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. is a monopoly. And thank you, Duke. And they don't go by Duke Power anymore. They go by Duke Energy. And he was driving a Piedmont natural gas truck, but his badge with his name on it said Duke Energy. Wow. That's scary. I appreciate it, Lucy.\n\n14:13\nAnd then here's a so if you so when these people these energy companies they come along and they say you know what we want to build another plant We want to build another plant so that we can make even more money. You guys don't mind paying for that. Do you? Why don't they pay for that out of their profits? Why don't they do that? I Mean that is because they are a utility they have to get approval\n\n14:41\num But when was the last time? When was the last time? Legitimately, when was the last time you heard of an energy company being turned down for a rate increase? No, doesn't happen. Because they've got friends in high places. You and I, we don't have those friends. We know the people in Columbia are not our friends. They have proven that time and time again. So what we need to do coming up on June the 9th,\n\n15:10\nis we need to elect some friends down in Columbia. I am in the process of compiling a list of people that I think you should vote for and the ones that I think you should vote against. And I'll be exposing that coming up very, very soon. We'll be right back. It's the Charlie James Show, News Talk 98.9, WORD, The Voice of the Carolinas.\n\n15:35\nAnd welcome back to the program. Glad to have you along with us. um Let's see. Let's go to Patrick in Pickens and talk to him. Patrick, what's going on? Not much, Charlie. Go dogs. Go dogs. Yes, sir. What's up? I was listening to the lady that I guess your last caller that was talking about the meter or whatever. And of course, Piedmont was bought out in 2016 by Duke.\n\n16:04\nor they acquired in 2016. But anyway, so the gentleman that called too, I guess, and was talking about how high his bill was, I mean, all this is coming from these new supercomputer data centers. And, you know,\n\n16:24\nI what we going to do? You know what I mean? We're really at their mercy. We are at their mercy. the fact that they're putting so... Man, those things require so much energy. So much energy. Not only that, Charlie, but where they're putting these things that, from what I'm hearing, is close to some of these subdivisions. ah And they are super loud as well.\n\n16:51\nOh, you know, that's something I didn't even think about. How much, what's the noise like around one of those data centers? ah I don't know. just, I've heard there's...\n\n17:04\nHuh. Yep. Interesting. All right, man. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Let's go to Todd in Greenville. Todd, what's on your mind?\n\n17:14\nbeen on for quite a while and the thing that used to tear me up was, you know, like the guy and that lady were saying, they now own, Duke owns Piedmont Natural Gas. But we used to get an annual report every year and Lenny...\n\n17:40\nYeah. Good night. So 10 million, so just giving you a little tidbit because that's public knowledge and we used to get an annual report every year. $10 million in a year, that's a...\n\n17:59\nhell of an increase. I'd to have a quarter of that. You are right about that, Todd. Man, I appreciate it. I'd work three years and quit. That would be it. I've crossed the finish line. I don't understand. Let's go to Gary in Chester. How you doing, Gary? Hey, you're great. Doing great. Hey, I just wanted to add a little something about, go back to Obama and when he made all the utility companies,\n\n18:29\nwhere it was impossible to run fossil fuel. Energy demolished 14 fossil stations. We used to have excess power. I worked with Duke for over 45 years. So the power building has gone up, but we don't have the power. We have to buy power in the peak summertime. And so go back to, and Leon Good was a Democrat.\n\n18:59\nAnd I agree with the gentleman that said she got a big increase, but we were going to convert some of these fossil stations to gas and then the gas prices go up. So, yeah, natural gas. So, hey, yeah, our power bills are going up, but we don't have the power like we used to. Doesn't seem like it does it. I mean, like you said, once they were like power was coming out of our ears. Let's go to Reed and Greenvolt. Reed, what's going on?\n\n19:29\nHey, yeah, I'm a former Duke power employee, tells you how long ago that was. But yeah, the thing about co-ops is I don't know that any of them actually produce any power. So they're all buying it from Duke. Yeah. And you know, the history of this stuff is long and convoluted. But I wish I was on Duke because the rate between Duke and Blue Ridge, who I am on, and also looked up Lauren's electric rate.\n\n19:58\nThey're within tenths of a cent per kilowatt hour, but they have all these different rate structures. So whoever's got, you know, high power bills, they need to really talk to the folks and find out what the heck rate structure they're on. Because Blue Ridge has this fun thing where if you use uh power between three o'clock and six o'clock in the afternoon right now, they charge you for the highest single hour during those three hours.\n\n20:28\n$23 a kilowatt hour. Wow. Normally you're paying, you know, 14, 14 and a half cents kilowatt hour, $23. $23? And the co-op law in South Carolina said that the co-ops when they were established were supposed to refund any money that they took in over their cost. So whatever their expenses were for the year, if they had money left over, they were supposed to return that to their\n\n20:56\ncustomers or as they like to call it their membership. Right. Well, Blue Ridge had a vote somewhere ages ago. I mean, I've been living in my house 40 years and it was way before my time that some people decided to get around and vote and said, you know, we like Blue Ridge co-op so much that can keep our money for 30 years interest free. Wow. How about that? I just got my rebate check, you know, for the overage.\n\n21:24\nfrom 1996 and there's no interest accrued either. I got 30 bucks. Wow. And 30 bucks doesn't buy a squat today compared to what bought in 1996. You are right about that. there you go. All right, Paul, I appreciate it. Reed, I'm sorry, Paul is in Greer. How you doing, Paul? Hey, I'm doing well. All right. Wondering, the one caller mentioned about the data centers that are causing the high.\n\n21:53\nbills, do we have any around here yet? That I am not sure of, but here's the thing. I mean, they are making plans for them and that is really when they start talking about raising your rates and all of that, it's because it's because of what the plans are for the future. They want to build a new power. They want to do a new power plant. They want to get involved in these data centers. So really they're just planning for the future when they're raising your rates, which is weird. Yeah. Has the\n\n22:23\nPublic Service Commission approved any rate increases recently? I'm going to have to go back and double check on that. know a couple of them have asked for rate increases here recently, ah but I will check on that, Paul, and see if they've approved on any of them. We've to take a quick break and be right back. It's the Charlie James Show, Newstalk 98.9, WORD, the voice of the Carolinas. All right, let's go to Christina in Travelers Rest. How you doing, Christina? Okay. All right.\n\n22:55\nokay that's a good day then so i can please please bear with me please make a couple of points all toward this duke energy and paid my natural gas spain of spartenberg recently defeated a data center coming in their area they had these public meetings and so they did were able to defeat it someone\n\n23:25\none of because this is not just south carolina uh... problem with the other thing a congressman person what's going to submit a bill that in in order to put up on it to be issued for the data centers they had to provide their own that energy map that i have to make that going to be wind farms and solar farms wink wink yeah or what\n\n23:55\nBut that was what the bill was based on. I don't know what the status of that is. anyway, you've heard me say before that 90 % of this country doesn't know what the heck is going on. And the dear, dear lady who called earlier gets the Rip Van Winkle award of the year because Duke Energy bought Piedmont natural gas in 2016. she thought it was recent, bless her\n\n24:25\nWell, maybe they did. They were just converting over there in her area recently. I don't know. no, So oh the last point is the gentleman who called earlier and he said this was the Piedmont Natural Gas Board. One of their board members salary went from 10 million to 20 million. Yeah. Well, back, you probably don't recall, but\n\n24:53\nwent to the public hearing in twenty twenty four i do care to keep and it's gentlemen who spoke before myself had really done hit homework all the board members of duke energy double-digit salaries are in the mail yet and they all\n\n25:18\nThe Public Service Commission in South Carolina is a joke because if they can afford in this one class, one case, and in the recent four months ago or so when I went to the latest request for an increase by Duke Energy, the Public Service Commission, they knew exactly about whom I was speaking. This woman, I know was the CEO, her\n\n25:48\nsalary went from 16 million to 21 million. So if you have enough money to grant all these raises, all of which are in the double digit millions, then how can you say we need more money? I understand. How can you say we need more money? I mean, that's where that's where a lot of your money is going to those salaries. Christina, I appreciate it now.\n\n26:15\nWhat did President Trump say about data centers? Let's take a listen to this. have negotiated the new rate payer protection pledge. You know what that is. We're telling the major tech companies that they have the obligation to provide for their own power needs. They can build their own power plants as part of factory so that no one's prices will go up. And in many cases, prices of electricity will go down for the community and very substantially down.\n\n26:43\nThis is a unique strategy never used in this country before. We have an old grid. It could never handle the kind of numbers, the amount of electricity that's needed. So I'm telling them they can build their own plant. They're going to produce their own electricity. It will ensure the company's ability to get electricity while at the same time lowering prices of electricity for you and could be very substantial for all of your cities and towns. You're going to see some good things happen over the next number of years.\n\n27:12\nWell, we certainly hope so, but as long as John Thune is the Senate Majority Leader, none of that's going to happen. We can't even get the Save America Act passed because John Thune is, again, you can have the greatest ideas, but as long as there's a damn\n\n27:35\nin that river is not going to happen.\n\n27:40\nAnd that's what John Thune is. John Thune is a damn that conservative agendas, but their heads on. That's what John Thune is. He could do away with the filibuster, just like the Democrats are going to do when they get back in power and they will.\n\n28:04\nThey're going to do away with the filibuster. In fact, did you know this? Did you know this? They're looking at changing the Democrats, they're looking at changing the rules for the 25th Amendment. If they get back in power...\n\n28:20\nin the midterm elections. They're going to change the rules for the 25th Amendment that would take the Vice President out of the loop.\n\n28:31\non replacing the president of the United States. He would have no say in it. Right now, it's got to be recommended by the vice president. It's got to be approved by the cabinet. That does, the president's removed. They want to take the vice president out of the loop. When we get back, they want to do something in Virginia. Well, no, let me rephrase that. They're doing something in Virginia that's going to blow your mind. 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